What do I do about some epic anti-transferring policies at my old school? My guess is that it is becoming slightly more competitive; after all, law school admissions have, in general, become more competitive. In addition, your will demonstrate your personality and unique backgrounds so that they will remember you and have things to say when they later write your LOR. The rest of the application is more of a double check to make sure you are a good student with good ambition. I chose my professors very carefully and assumed they would say yes. When I say medium boost, I mean it is equivalent to a 5% increase in your rankings. In addition, you can just send them an email asking them to meet and say you want to go over exams or something (if you do not want to bring up the transferring issue over the phone/email). You want to give the professor time to “judge you.” There are too many stories of students trying to catch professors by email or phone and getting ignored. Oh boy, this is a tough one. As always, good softs may matter in tie-breakers and can also likely hurt you if they are particularly poor. However, you know the drill – just write about yourself. Also, any “data” you see here will reflect whatever I can find as of 2009. It does not matter whether this stuff is true or not, but these are just some general rumors that are attached to transfer students. Transferring law schools is an opportunity for students who may not have otherwise knocked their LSAT or undergraduate curriculum out of the park, to still graduate from their dream law school. Where to apply? NYU – due July 15, Undergraduate Dean’s Certification, no LORs required, NYU also appears to require you to use paper forms for the College/Law School Transcript, LORs, and Undergraduate/Law School Dean’s Certifications 6. If you can, try to do these things as early as possible, perhaps before spring finals kick in. Columbia ~45-60 5. Case Western, due March 30 71. What happens if my school does not rank or does not give out letter grades (for early action or regular admissions)? He was very happy to help me out. In addition, the first half of my PS was about my background (high school, college, and law school) while the second half focused on why I wanted to transfer. The following data is all from 2018 ABA 509 reports. For example, at my school (Loyola Law School, Los Angeles), many people want to go to USC or UCLA. Yale and Stanford only appear to take people in the T1 and up. - top 5-10% at a Top 20 - top 5% at T1 - top 1% at a mid-upper T2 - Other notes: People in the top 1% in the Top 20 generally have a lock on at least one of the holy trinity. Introduction II. See the following articles for more information: I. What this means is, you may have to start doing some work early. UPenn – due July 15, complete by August 1 9. III. For additional consideration. The key to a successful transfer application is, above all else, preparation. For example, if the application requires an Undergraduate Dean’s Certification (every school calls it something different), then you likely want to start doing this in May (it might take a while). Perhaps some professors will even have a boilerplate format with minor tweaks for most students. Transfer Students General Transfer Information. This article is based off of a series of blog posts by TLS Forum user “Arrow”, who started off at Loyola Los Angeles but transferred to Berkeley Law after a successful 1L year. I will try to address some of this below, but the details are up to you. For example, Harvard 10 years ago only took 2 transfers, now they take around 30. Yes, I waited until my grades came out and THEN decided to transfer. Some do not even address why they want to transfer and still do fine (not every school inquires for your reasons for transferring, especially since it is usually kind of obvious). Why? 4. Can you contact him or her if problems arise? Interested in transferring law schools?! If you did not originally apply to the school during regular admissions, I would say feel free to use a good portion of your old PS in your new one (some parts may need to be tweaked of course). However, if this is your plan before ever attending law school, speak with an admissions officer at the school that you desire to transfer to and find out how many students Employers look at your 1L GPA, so my guess is that having a better school on your resume can only increase your chances. Also, pay attention to the due dates! Duke ~12-20 10. The word “transfer” will hold a special place in your mind. What You Need to Know About Transferring Law Schools February 5, 2019 Admissions Some law students consider transferring to a new law school because a change in their personal situation compels them to relocate; others want to transfer in the hope of earning a JD from a higher-tier school, and still others think they might just find a better fit somewhere else. You would have to be insane to do their law review when you have not been accepted into their law school. Employment goals (big law versus government public interest versus clerkship/academia) 5. I personally did not talk about transferring with my professors, mostly because of strong anti-transferring policies at the time. - Because sometimes, you might not be able to do OCI at your new school. Understand that schools are simply trying to do their best, and this includes trying to get their students to stay. Regarding the “why you want to transfer” section, write about certain professors/clinics/journals at the school. I wish you the best of luck in this secretive and sneaky process that seduces the minds of many successful 1L’s. Some require you to have a big long talk with the dean. These are the top 25 schools to matriculate the most transfers: 1 Georgetown: 105 transfers in 2 NYU: 58 transfers in 3 Arizona State: … There are no guarantees. There are the technical elements, sure: certain methods and steps must be done at certain, specific times, and in certain ways. Yes, this does exist and is a fairly recent phenomenon from what I hear. They simply just give you a late acceptance. On the other hand, they are paid by the school to provide services (like LORs) to students in a sense and also duty-bound to help their own students out (as human beings in master/apprentice relationships). Second, law schools themselves face a conflict of interest. Duke – due July 1 10. Remember, LORs are not very important compared to your grades. I have heard all sorts of stories. However, I did learn about this from a few long talks with a couple of very intelligent and clever individuals. All the schools have an interest in keeping their students and will want to do it somehow. transferring law schools (1 Viewer) Thread starter RAJRAJRAJA; Start date 5 minutes ago; R. RAJRAJRAJA New Member. 1L Summer: If you have a big firm 1L summer associate position (somehow) or one of those big firm diversity scholarship jobs, I would guess that you get a small boost. We all know that we should follow our own dreams, not our parents. The weighted average GPA to transfer into a T14 is a 3.72. Also, the transfer class is generally pretty small that adding more URMs do not really change the diversity statistics of the law school as a whole. Transferring Law Schools. Thus, their claims that you can do law review are kind of unrealistic. Yale and Stanford, for example, are still incredibly hard to predict even with great numbers. Here are some common situations where transferring (instead of staying) is not an obvious choice. Thus, I feel like more people may want to transfer as it may become standard procedure for those who do well. Your personal bond with the professor – Did he or she really like you? Law school is an investment after all. I definitely realize that there is a lot of uncertainty and disagreement regarding the transfer process, so feel free to tell me if you believe that something is wrong. In case you forgot, most applications require: - The Application Form - Application Fee ($60-$100) - Personal Statement (1-2 pages, often requiring you explain why you want to transfer) - Resume (usually with your 1L summer experience added in) - 2 LORS (Letters of Recommendations, usually from professors), some schools have special forms for LORS, but I am pretty sure most schools prefer you use LSAC. Is there a transfer stigma and how easy is it to adjust to the new school? It is technically pretty simple and there are a gazillion ways to go about doing it. In addition, some believe that being top of the class at a T3/T4 is not comparable to an average student at a T14. Plus you may have to do your own law review competition at the same time. I do not know any schools that just waitlist transfer applications. If you do it during the semester, just go to office hours (alone) and ask them for the LOR. Other than your 1L grades, the Dean’s Certificate/Letter is the one thing you have to do that you did not have to do before in your original application process. Law Review/Moot Court: “No”, again. This is probably the best advice I can give you for making law review as a transfer. Curious about which law schools took the most … Before you decide to apply, you also have to figure out your chances. Make sure you pick a professor who is reliable. Did he look busy and frustrated every time students came to ask questions or did he look happy or relieved? It appears that this is no longer currently possible and I have no idea if the school will reinstate the program in the future. This is pretty much like when you first applied to law school. One of them even posted horror stories of students who transferred. adMISSION: HLS Topics: adMISSION: HLS , Student Voices , Transferring … Rutgers, Camden ~45 85. Basically, the view is that it is a lot easier to do well at lower ranked schools. However, do pick professors that gave you A’s. I would see the “Why Transfer” section above for more motivation. If you need me to allay your insecurities, then I will. A decision is usually given in April or May. Taking in transfers allows law schools to 1) cherry pick top students from other schools and eliminate competition, 2) take in smart people without worrying about LSAT/uGPA, and 3) take in students who pay full tuition, and 4) take in students with a good 1L year which is a better predictor of success. Transferring from one law school to another is like painting a delicate and complicated panorama, moving from one scene (your current law school) to a new one (the law school of your dreams). hi everyone, i got into MQ com/law and really want to get into USYD com/law next year. I did my financial aid at the usual time (I think in January). Most personal statements and LORS sound the same anyways. Plus, going to office hours is a great way to read your professors to prepare for exams. Finally, much of the transfer application mirrors that of the normal application (you pretty much submit the same things), so I will try to address the relevant aspects unique to transferring. The early action schools can defer you to the regular transferring admissions. Chicago also requires you get “consistent” grades throughout the year. Understanding why you (or others) may want to transfer helps you choose where to apply, helps you write your personal statement, helps you explain to your professors when you ask them for LORS, and helps you better answer questions during interviews. You generally can ask the registrar, the admissions office, or the Dean’s office to (reluctantly) send one for you. Currently on a full-ride scholarship. On the other hand, some professors care more about the school they work for. If the scholarship does not say anything about staying at the school or does not say anything about having to pay it back if you transfer, then you have saved a year’s worth of tuition. I will try to comment on some common softs and questions. This request was written down on the instructions sheet as well as mentioned in person during the meeting. That’s nearly 5% of the 37,100 students who were 1Ls the previous year. Florida State ~60 55. If you have not, then I do not see how the law school actually know if you used parts of your old personal statement or something. If you did not do it early at the regular time, then you can still file a FAFSA after you get your acceptance letter (or at least, I am guessing most places allow this). Just do not be surprised and kindly thank them for everything in the end. November 7, 2014 by Ashley Kirkwood 3 Comments. Third, successful transfer students will not be around on campus to offer advice because they are now at a new school. 7. Nobody except the admissions officers really knows your chances, and my guess may be just as good as any (hopefully). The reason I suggest this is that you guys will probably want to talk about it. During office hours, you will ask productive questions AND bond with the professor by asking some non-law questions (about their background or their career paths). Plus, they likely went to a top school. I have only heard of one person doing this, but it is possible to intentionally go to a lower ranked school (through regular law school admissions) with a scholarship and then transfer. This is a very gutsy move since it depends on you landing in the top of your class to transfer out. They do a spectacular job, which results in much jealousy and further stigma. Hey, I read the forum on transferring law schools but just thought I would make a post to see if anyone has done it. Last year all of these schools accepted a transfer class of at least 40 people, with Georgetown accepting a whooping 110 transfers. Others just had a bit too much fun in college because...well...it is college. The prevailing result is usually to transfer to the more prestigious school (especially if it is T14) barring strong geographical preferences and tons of money. My boyfriend suprised me last week by visiting and it was so great, we had a really good time and I was so so happy he came. The weight of the transfer PS pales in comparison to regular law admissions PS or your undergrad admissions PS. The downside is of course you could have done your 1L year at a better school, and missed out on all the social activities (or law review) at that better school. Therefore, your first semester grades need to be higher than my guesses above for regular admissions. This depends on the person and the school. I was pretty sure I would do equally well second semester and I was not really interested in Chicago or Georgetown. To be honest, I have no data and also have just never heard of anyone applying to transfer early action to Miama, Case Western, or Hofstra. I personally will acknowledge that this money saving benefit of transferring exists, but is definitely not something I recommend. Law schools are becoming more open to high-achieving transfer students as a way to increase revenue . You should not do this. Transferring law schools would mean leaving behind friendships and future colleagues, but perhaps the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. See the “why transfer” section above for more information. In fact, most people think that being aggressive in the job hunt is okay. Why Transfer? However, the prestige of your undergrad education may also give you a small boost (only if it is really up there). Does she even know who you are? Is your professor an associate dean or on one of the school boards? Some schools prevent transfers from getting future recommendations for jobs or clerkships. One of the professors I asked for a LOR was a visiting professor and lo and behold, I perceived no conflict of interest. Hofstra, due May 15. Back when I went to law school, in the go-go late 90s, transferring from one law school to another was rare and discouraged. Basically the rule is, do not go to law school wanting to transfer. As always, if you had a successful transfer cycle, I encourage you to share your wealth. Now, I gave both of my professors 1-2 weeks, but they understood my time constraints since grades came out late. In 2004 she founded Law School Expert and has helped thousands of applicants navigate the tough process to get into law school. Some believe that transfers are not legitimate students and often perceived as people who are dumb or slacked off in college (aka have low LSAT/GPA). I will also admit that there is even less data on early action transfer admissions, so this is just my extrapolation and guess as usual. If you have not received an acceptance yet, you MUST do OCI at your old school since it would be silly to not interview simply because you applied to transfer and you are waiting on an answer. Basically the advantages of doing two OCIs are SO great that people frown upon it equally greatly. They may even prevent you from bidding on fall OCI. My guess is that because they cannot see your second semester grades when making their decision, they have to bank on the fact that people who do well first semester will also do well second semester (because they “get it” and already figured out legal reasoning/analysis). If you have the numbers, you will be fine. My PS was 2 pages double spaced, which allowed me to single space it for those that asked for one page. Some professors will want 3-4 weeks, so try to do this early (before grades come out) if you have to. Transferring Law Schools . There are just far too many possibilities when it comes to these factors. An aspiring transfer essentially consents to putting their entire 1L year on trialbefore the best law schools. If so, I would recommend that you do the law degree at MQ and if you manage to get high marks, you can transfer to USyd as a bonus, but still have the option of continuing law at MQ. 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